As geologist, volcanoes are one of the most awe inspiring forces. It is commonly depicted in movies and sometimes the focus of the movie or just a prop. For some lighter side of things, here is an article on them.
The Right (and Wrong) Way to Die When You Fall Into Lava
- By Erik Klemetti
- December 7, 2011 |
This post is based on a question I was posed in my “Introduction to Rocks and Minerals” class. Now, mind you, it isn’t a serious question, but when I thought about how to answer it, I realized how completely wrong everybody has been about it. The revelation was so clear I half expected the planet to be destroyed to make way for a bypass. So, before that happens, I thought a blog post might be a great way to explain why.
I’ll start with the answer: Everyone is wrong about how people die when they fall into lava.
So, what was the question? This (slightly paraphrased):“In that scene from Return of the King when Gollum falls into the pit of lava, would he have really just sunk into the lava like that?”
At first, it seemed like an easy question. Well, not so much easy as obvious: yes. However, the more I thought about it, the more I though that pretty much every scene I’ve ever noticed where somebody falls into lava and dies has got to be wrong. Some are just straight out obvious to explain — like in Volcano when the subway maintenance director jumps from the subway car that is being inundated by lava after he saved the unconscious subway driver. The guy jumps from the subway, but not far enough to miss landing in maybe 6 inches of basaltic lava and he proceeds to more or less melt away into the lava like the Wicked Witch of the West. Not likely. Maybe some very severe burns, maybe lost feet (think Darth Vader), but no wholesale melting like that.
However, the death of Gollum at the end of Return of the King got me thinking. Gollum, if you remember, dove into the lava of Mount Doom after his precious ring was thrown in — he proceeds to sink into the lava (see below) and leaves the ring floating on the lava until it melts away. Guess what? Sinking into lava just will not happen if you’re a human (or remotely human). You’d need to be a Terminator to sink into molten rock/metal … and here’s why.
Molten lava is nothing like water. Sure, everyone thinks that liquid rock (magma) is going to behave like any other liquid (e.g., water), but there are some key physical properties that tell us it just isn’t the case. Let’s compare!
- Water has a density of 1000 kg/m3 and a viscosity of 0.00089 Pa*s.
- Lava has a density of 3100 kg/m3 and a viscosity of 100-1000 Pa*s.
Pa*s is the SI unit for viscosity — some people might be familiar with other viscosity measures like poise. Viscosity is, more or less, the resistance to flow, so if you throw something in a liquid, a low viscosity liquid (like water) will “get out the way” and you’ll sink faster relative to a high viscosity liquid (like cold corn syrup). The density of the liquid will also play a role in how quickly you might sink based on your own density. So, when we’re looking at water versus lava, lava is ~3.1 times the density and between ~100,000 to 1,100,000 times the viscosity. They are very different!
Do you suppose throwing yourself into lava would have the same effect as falling into a lake? Probably not. The average human has a density of ~1010 kg/m3, so a little bit more dense than water. That is why we can sometimes float in water and sometimes sink in water. You can control your buoyancy (to an extent) by how much air you hold and whether you choose to swim in fresh water or salt water (which has a density of 1027 kg/m3, so you’re more likely to float). If you are less than one-third the density of basalt (and you are, admit it), it is going to be next to impossible to sink into that liquid.
You can try the experiment at home (without grievous bodily harm). Take your favorite motor oil (I prefer 5W30) at room temperature and fill a small pail. Motor oil at room temperature should have a density of ~920 kg/m3 and viscosity of ~1 Pa-s – this will be your lava. Cut a little fellow out of styrofoam. It has a density of ~300 kg/m3, so it is roughly 1/3 the density of the oil. Now, position your Styroguy on the edge and push him in. Does he sink instantly into the oil? No! So, neither should you in you fall into lava. Now, Stryoguy didn’t get the full effect by then proceeding into bursting into flames, which would be your bonus for falling into lava — remember, most of the red-hot lava pictures in movies like likely basaltic lava at ~1,100 to 1,200°C (for comparison, your oven on broil is ~275°C). However, if you’re already in a position to fall into lava, you had it coming.
So, there you have it. The next time you see someone in a movie fall into a cauldron of roiling lava and they sink into it, remember that it can never happen. The sacrifice of styroguy will be remembered.
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/12/the-right-and-wrong-way-to-die-when-you-fall-into-lava/
Updates #1 – TBPG Special Meeting 11-7-11
Posted: December 12, 2011 in UncategorizedTags: Engineer, Fracking, Geologist, Geology, Geophysics, Geoscience, Geoscientist, Houston Geological Society, Hydraulic Fracking, Licensure, Oil, Oil & Gas, Oil and Gas, Professional, Railroad Commission of Texas, Registration, Soil, Soil Science, TAPG, TBPG, TCEQ, Texas, Texas Commission on Environmental Quality, Texas Water Development Board, TNRCC, Water Rights
The Texas Board of Professional Geoscientists met on November 7, 2011 to consider Advisory Opinion #7. This Advisory Opinion was in response to the reaction to the Proposed Rules published in the September 30th edition of the Texas Register. These proposed rules dealt with the practice of Oil & Gas. There were two sections to this proposed rule. Section 33 dealt with “Permissive Practice” (Voluntary Practice by someone who is licensed) and Section 34 which dealt with unlicensed Practice. These proposed rules were the result of months of work by an Oil& Gas advisory committee. The intent was to publish them to gather greater input not to implement the proposed rules. Yet that was not how the proposed rules were received by the public.
The resulting public fire storm lead the TBPG to initiate Advisory Opinion #7. At the November 7th Meeting , there were about 30 people in attendance. Some of the notable people were Dave Rensink, Richard How, Henry Wise, Peter Rose, John Mikels, Scott Daniels and Bruce Darling. Chairman Kitchens opened the meeting by explaining the process and history of how the proposed rules came about and reassured that this was not a power grab by the Board. He stated that the Governors office was aware of the activities of the Board. After his statement the Board proceeded to withdraw the proposed rules. The Board voted 8-0 to withdraw the rules. Also as a result, the Oil and Gas workgroup was disbanded. The Board then laid out the Advisory Opinion. The Board voted 8-0 to adopt the proposal. After that the floor was opened for public comments. Very few people got up to speak. Two of the people who did speak call for the Board to resign. Talking to people afterwards they seemed satisfied with how things went.
Below is part of the Advisory Opinion from which the TBPG Chairman read:
The Board has had questions for many years concerning the intent of the word “exclusively” and the phrase “for the benefit of private industry” that is included in the above cited section of the Texas Geoscience Practice Act (Act). The Board has attempted to determine if this word and this phrase were included in the statute with the intent that some oil and gas activities would not be exempt from the requirements of the Act. For example, is geoscientific interpretation presented for the sole purpose of securing financing from the public exclusively part of the exploration and development process? Could the fact that the benefits of oil and gas exploration are not exclusively for the benefit of private industry since the public also benefits in the form of severance tax paid to the state be a cause to require a license? These are the types of questions that have been posed to the Board in the form of inquiries and complaints over the years.
The Board has had an ad-hoc Legal Interpretation Committee explore the question and this activity did not conclusively resolve the issue. The Board also encouraged the development of an advisory workgroup to involve the oil and gas community to assist with answering the issue. Attempts were made to secure wide participation in the workgroup, and included liaison representatives with involvement in the Houston Geological Society, the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, and the Society of Independent Professional Earth Scientists. Over a period of more than a year, the workgroup met and finally petitioned the Board with a rule proposal that would define that certain activities involving oil and gas exploration and development would not be exempt. All members of the workgroup had ample and equal opportunity to provide input to the rule proposal. The workgroup members felt that the issue should be made available to a broader audience for further review.
The Board finally agreed to publish the rule proposal for the purpose of receiving more widespread public input to help with the determination of exemption applicability but only if certified by legal counsel that the proposal was within the Board’s authority to adopt. Based on the subsequent overwhelming public opinion against adoption of the proposal, and legislative intent brought to the attention of the Board, the Board has withdrawn the proposed rulemaking.
New Draft Adviory Opinion Regarding Academic Research from the Board!!
Posted: October 10, 2011 in UncategorizedTags: academic, Fracking, Geologist, Geology, Geophysics, Geoscience, Geoscientist, groundwater, Oil & Gas, Oil and Gas, Professional, Railroad Commission of Texas, Registration, research, TAPG, TBPE, TBPG, TCEQ, Texas, Texas Commission on Environmental Quality, Texas Water Development Board, TNRCC, Water, Water Rights
The Texas Board of Professional Geoscientists have received a new request for advisory opinion. The question is as follows:
Re: Does any and all geoscientific work that is conducted through an academic institution or non-profit research institution or for-profit organization automatically qualify as “geoscientific research” for purposes of Texas Occupations Code §1002.252(4)?
The Draft Opinion:
No. Most work which is conducted for the purpose of influencing legislation, regulation, or for the benefit of the public, in addition to work which is supported by or in collaboration with private entities, requires a Professional Geoscientist taking responsible charge of a geoscientific report or a geoscientific portion of a report, in compliance with Texas Occupations Code §1002.251(c).
This was published in the September 23 edition of the Texas Register. We have 30 days from publication to comment.
Any interested person may submit written comments concerning this Advisory Opinion Request and Draft Opinion to: Charles Horton, Executive Director, P. O. Box 13225, Austin, Texas78711, or by e-mail to chorton@tbpg.state.tx.us or by fax to (512) 936-4409. Comments must be submitted no later than 30 days from the date of the posting in the Texas Register. Please reference Advisory Opinion Request #6.


